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	<description>Stuff. By Froosh.  (Please note: I am not a Nordic (Swedish) yogurt or fruit juice!)</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 08:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Christine</title>
		<link>http://froosh.net/2008/04/22/how-to-flub-a-job-interview/#comment-12979</link>
		<dc:creator>Christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 16:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh dear! I feel your pain I really do...

Unfortunately, we live in a country which lives in the stone ages in respect to using resources like Twitter for example, to enhance their business. It sounds like you are someone who thinks outside the square, can see potential where no one else can and also understands that by providing a human face to  a company, it promotes interest and loyalty, two ingredients necessary for business growth. 

I have seen this many times in companies which are either Aussie or are the Australian version of U.S companies but run by locals. Small thinking and short sightedness is what you encountered. You , on the other hand, have perfect 20/20 vision. Don't let anyone block that  vision. 

Cheers,
Christine</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh dear! I feel your pain I really do&#8230;</p>
<p>Unfortunately, we live in a country which lives in the stone ages in respect to using resources like Twitter for example, to enhance their business. It sounds like you are someone who thinks outside the square, can see potential where no one else can and also understands that by providing a human face to  a company, it promotes interest and loyalty, two ingredients necessary for business growth. </p>
<p>I have seen this many times in companies which are either Aussie or are the Australian version of U.S companies but run by locals. Small thinking and short sightedness is what you encountered. You , on the other hand, have perfect 20/20 vision. Don&#8217;t let anyone block that  vision. </p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Christine</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://froosh.net/2008/04/22/how-to-flub-a-job-interview/#comment-12977</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 04:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gentle friend, I think there are two questions you need to ask.

Who am I?
What do I want?

If you ask and answer these questions honestly and with compassion whenever a situation like this arises, then the reasons for your current and past predicaments will begin to unfold.

This is not an answer; it’s a lifelong process based on and old prayer.

"Lord give me the strength to live with things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can and the wisdom to know the difference."

Now, let me suggest another possible approach based on a passage from Sun Tzu,s Art Of War, Know thyself, know thy enemy.

Look Out For The Warning Bells
Warning Bell 1: You should have realise this company was far from the .Com CEO rollerblading down the corridor type culture from the very fact they went through a recruitment company. Why would you pay 10% plus of an annual salary to another company to collect resume’s and forward candidates for a job like the one you thought you were applying for. Company cultures start at the top and it would seem a bit odd that there was no one in the company who could recommend someone for the job, good companies rarely need to advertise for staff and almost never use recruitment agencies.

Warning Bell 2: The Interview process reeks of HR paranoia and ass covering; sorry my friend but this alone would have a thrown up a major “Bull Shit Level 1 Alert” straight away if I was you.

From the above we move back to the questions “who am I” and “What do I want” because if you want the job (the real job, not the one you thought you were applying for) then you need to ask yourself if what you need to do to get and keep this job is worth it.

It never fails to amaze me at how overly complex the employer/employee relationship has become. I have skills and the ability to achieve or contribute to business objectives and I want money. A company needs someone with skills and the ability to achieve or contribute to their business objectives and has money. I exchange my skills and so on for their money, the end, anything else is strictly “Nice To Have”. 

In ending I can say with no reservation that these clowns have missed out big time on an asset that would have exponentially expanded the value of their company, I sincerely hope they found the employee they were looking for.

PS

Hows your French and Arabic these days ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gentle friend, I think there are two questions you need to ask.</p>
<p>Who am I?<br />
What do I want?</p>
<p>If you ask and answer these questions honestly and with compassion whenever a situation like this arises, then the reasons for your current and past predicaments will begin to unfold.</p>
<p>This is not an answer; it’s a lifelong process based on and old prayer.</p>
<p>&#8220;Lord give me the strength to live with things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can and the wisdom to know the difference.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now, let me suggest another possible approach based on a passage from Sun Tzu,s Art Of War, Know thyself, know thy enemy.</p>
<p>Look Out For The Warning Bells<br />
Warning Bell 1: You should have realise this company was far from the .Com CEO rollerblading down the corridor type culture from the very fact they went through a recruitment company. Why would you pay 10% plus of an annual salary to another company to collect resume’s and forward candidates for a job like the one you thought you were applying for. Company cultures start at the top and it would seem a bit odd that there was no one in the company who could recommend someone for the job, good companies rarely need to advertise for staff and almost never use recruitment agencies.</p>
<p>Warning Bell 2: The Interview process reeks of HR paranoia and ass covering; sorry my friend but this alone would have a thrown up a major “Bull Shit Level 1 Alert” straight away if I was you.</p>
<p>From the above we move back to the questions “who am I” and “What do I want” because if you want the job (the real job, not the one you thought you were applying for) then you need to ask yourself if what you need to do to get and keep this job is worth it.</p>
<p>It never fails to amaze me at how overly complex the employer/employee relationship has become. I have skills and the ability to achieve or contribute to business objectives and I want money. A company needs someone with skills and the ability to achieve or contribute to their business objectives and has money. I exchange my skills and so on for their money, the end, anything else is strictly “Nice To Have”. </p>
<p>In ending I can say with no reservation that these clowns have missed out big time on an asset that would have exponentially expanded the value of their company, I sincerely hope they found the employee they were looking for.</p>
<p>PS</p>
<p>Hows your French and Arabic these days <img src='http://froosh.net/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
		<link>http://froosh.net/2008/04/22/how-to-flub-a-job-interview/#comment-12972</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 23:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Treeman, this is fantastic feedback and absolutely correct.  It has taken me some time to realise it and think it through myself, so I'm thrilled to have your input!

I hope I have learned from the exercise and will endeavour to not make the same mistakes again.  I think I made two mistakes here: 1st by allowing my excitement and over-enthusiasm to prompt me to ask ill-considered questions during interviews, and 2nd by immediately dumping my emotional and again ill-considered opinions out for all to see.

I don't think either of these actions was wrong as such, but I definitely did not give them the consideration they deserve.  I would probably ask a similar question during a future interview, but will carefully evaluate my intentions and the results I expect.  I would probably blog about it next time too, but only after cooling down a little.  :)  I'm ... satisfied ... with my post here: I'm not naming and shaming directly, but there is enough information to identify the organisation; it is absolutely how I felt at the time, it was an excellent release of tension, it remains visible here as part of who I am, and (hopefully) documents my personal growth and understanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Treeman, this is fantastic feedback and absolutely correct.  It has taken me some time to realise it and think it through myself, so I&#8217;m thrilled to have your input!</p>
<p>I hope I have learned from the exercise and will endeavour to not make the same mistakes again.  I think I made two mistakes here: 1st by allowing my excitement and over-enthusiasm to prompt me to ask ill-considered questions during interviews, and 2nd by immediately dumping my emotional and again ill-considered opinions out for all to see.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think either of these actions was wrong as such, but I definitely did not give them the consideration they deserve.  I would probably ask a similar question during a future interview, but will carefully evaluate my intentions and the results I expect.  I would probably blog about it next time too, but only after cooling down a little.  <img src='http://froosh.net/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I&#8217;m &#8230; satisfied &#8230; with my post here: I&#8217;m not naming and shaming directly, but there is enough information to identify the organisation; it is absolutely how I felt at the time, it was an excellent release of tension, it remains visible here as part of who I am, and (hopefully) documents my personal growth and understanding.</p>
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		<title>By: Treeman</title>
		<link>http://froosh.net/2008/04/22/how-to-flub-a-job-interview/#comment-12971</link>
		<dc:creator>Treeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:41:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it was a big mistake.  No matter what their answer was to your question, it didn't change your desire to work there.  So why ask the question in the interviewing stage?  Couldn't you have pressed the point after you got the job?

Now if their response was to frown upon it, and that changes your enthusiasm for the place - well then it really doesn't matter that they didn't like you because of the question, now does it?

I think it was a poorly timed question if you're upset about them not liking you at this point.  Learn from it.

I know if it were me, I'd be nervous about not having control about what it published out there.  I think your point about being transparent is a decent one - but you would have to gain their trust before they feel comfortable being blogged about.

I really am left scratching my head and asking - what was the point of the question?

To the employer, the thought of you blogging about them is really very similar to leaving an interview, calling a friend on the cell phone when you are in the lobby and giving them the low-down.  It's just poor form.

Secure the job first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it was a big mistake.  No matter what their answer was to your question, it didn&#8217;t change your desire to work there.  So why ask the question in the interviewing stage?  Couldn&#8217;t you have pressed the point after you got the job?</p>
<p>Now if their response was to frown upon it, and that changes your enthusiasm for the place - well then it really doesn&#8217;t matter that they didn&#8217;t like you because of the question, now does it?</p>
<p>I think it was a poorly timed question if you&#8217;re upset about them not liking you at this point.  Learn from it.</p>
<p>I know if it were me, I&#8217;d be nervous about not having control about what it published out there.  I think your point about being transparent is a decent one - but you would have to gain their trust before they feel comfortable being blogged about.</p>
<p>I really am left scratching my head and asking - what was the point of the question?</p>
<p>To the employer, the thought of you blogging about them is really very similar to leaving an interview, calling a friend on the cell phone when you are in the lobby and giving them the low-down.  It&#8217;s just poor form.</p>
<p>Secure the job first.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Collins</title>
		<link>http://froosh.net/2008/04/22/how-to-flub-a-job-interview/#comment-12954</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 05:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I reckon, that despite your keenness, you ended up with the right outcome. I think your approach was right, the questions were good and your thinking on them was in the right place.

Australian companies seem not to get the web yet - don't ask why, it's a puzzle to me, too.

If you've got access to an email for any of the founders, flick them an email expressing your concerns - from the perspective of where they should be, the recruiters and everything else. At the very least, they'll be aware of how some of their candidates will be feeling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I reckon, that despite your keenness, you ended up with the right outcome. I think your approach was right, the questions were good and your thinking on them was in the right place.</p>
<p>Australian companies seem not to get the web yet - don&#8217;t ask why, it&#8217;s a puzzle to me, too.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve got access to an email for any of the founders, flick them an email expressing your concerns - from the perspective of where they should be, the recruiters and everything else. At the very least, they&#8217;ll be aware of how some of their candidates will be feeling.</p>
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		<title>By: Fi</title>
		<link>http://froosh.net/2008/04/22/how-to-flub-a-job-interview/#comment-12951</link>
		<dc:creator>Fi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 13:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I work for a large Australian retailer that really doesn't get the web, be that web 1.0 or 2.0! Their webpage is a shambles. Their IT policies mean that you are unable to access any websites other than the company one and one other that is password protected. No checking out the opposition. No product knowledge availability. It is very frustrating. Sounds like it is good that you didn't get this job. Hope something else bigger and better comes up soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work for a large Australian retailer that really doesn&#8217;t get the web, be that web 1.0 or 2.0! Their webpage is a shambles. Their IT policies mean that you are unable to access any websites other than the company one and one other that is password protected. No checking out the opposition. No product knowledge availability. It is very frustrating. Sounds like it is good that you didn&#8217;t get this job. Hope something else bigger and better comes up soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Hughes</title>
		<link>http://froosh.net/2008/04/22/how-to-flub-a-job-interview/#comment-12950</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Hughes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Froosh, 

I think it's fair to say that the company missed an opportunity, and that you didn't really do anything wrong (as far as I can see). 

If they're an Internet-oriented business then it's fairly reasonable to assume they'll be comfortable with their staff also using the internet for any number of purposes. 

There's no greater risk to the vast majority of businesses from someone who uses Twitter/Facebook/etc. Not revealing trade secrets, non-public business dealings, etc is just common sense. To claim (without any supporting evidence) that someone with many years of experience is going to release some sort of information is downright insulting. 

Then again, perhaps I'm just biased given that I got my current position through a recruiter on Twitter, and that both the CTO and our Tech Team Lead are reasonably active on Twitter day-to-day. 

Here's hoping you have better luck with a far better company!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Froosh, </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s fair to say that the company missed an opportunity, and that you didn&#8217;t really do anything wrong (as far as I can see). </p>
<p>If they&#8217;re an Internet-oriented business then it&#8217;s fairly reasonable to assume they&#8217;ll be comfortable with their staff also using the internet for any number of purposes. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s no greater risk to the vast majority of businesses from someone who uses Twitter/Facebook/etc. Not revealing trade secrets, non-public business dealings, etc is just common sense. To claim (without any supporting evidence) that someone with many years of experience is going to release some sort of information is downright insulting. </p>
<p>Then again, perhaps I&#8217;m just biased given that I got my current position through a recruiter on Twitter, and that both the CTO and our Tech Team Lead are reasonably active on Twitter day-to-day. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s hoping you have better luck with a far better company!</p>
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		<title>By: Robin</title>
		<link>http://froosh.net/2008/04/22/how-to-flub-a-job-interview/#comment-12949</link>
		<dc:creator>Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could be very right! :D  I may have been blinded by the excitement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could be very right! <img src='http://froosh.net/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  I may have been blinded by the excitement.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://froosh.net/2008/04/22/how-to-flub-a-job-interview/#comment-12948</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can't explain it, but maybe you should be thankful you didn't get the job there!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t explain it, but maybe you should be thankful you didn&#8217;t get the job there!</p>
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